The RunOut Podcast

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Chris Kalous (The Enormocast) and Andrew Bisharat (Evening Sends) bring 40+ years of combined climbing experience to the mic while they talk to the best and most interesting people in climbing. The hosts take on rock climbing, bouldering, ice climbing, alpinism, comp climbing, all the climbing. No subject is left out or climbing dogma unexamined. You may not agree with the take, but you’ll likely laugh about it later.

Recent Episodes
  • RunOut #146: From Big Walls to Open Water: Unlocking the Expedition Mindset with Mark Synnott
    Apr 16, 2025 – 1:35:35
  • RunOut #145: Here Come the Management Plans 
    Apr 3, 2025 – 1:12:05
  • RunOut #144: Life After Competition: Hannah Schubert and Eating Disorders in Climbing
    Mar 19, 2025 – 1:28:09
  • RunOut #143: PARC Act Passes, so What’s Next For Climbing in America?
    Feb 28, 2025 – 1:17:09
  • RunOut #142: Jason Kehl and the Evolution of Bouldering
    Feb 19, 2025 – 1:16:51
  • RunOut #141: The Joy of Struggle, According to Ryan Devlin
    Jan 29, 2025 – 1:23:57
  • RunOut #140: Chris Deuto Seeks More in the Mountains
    Jan 14, 2025 – 1:31:56
  • RunOut 139: Fred Nicole speaks to the soul of bouldering
    Dec 22, 2024 – 1:34:00
  • RunOut #138: The Bromance of Tommy Caldwell and Alex Honnold
    Dec 9, 2024 – 1:17:51
  • RunOut 137: The Revelations of Jerry Moffatt
    Nov 18, 2024 –
  • RunOut 136: Brady Robinson on Climbing, Advocacy, and the legacy of Armando Menocal
    Oct 31, 2024 – 1:24:32
  • RunOut #135: Becca Steinbrecher: What it’s Like to Survive a Serious Climbing Accident
    Oct 18, 2024 – 1:11:24
  • RunOut #134: The State of Adventure and Storytelling with Fitz Cahall
    Oct 2, 2024 – 1:04:32
  • RunOut #133: Olympic Runner and Rock Climber Hobbs Kessler
    Sep 20, 2024 – 1:14:51
  • RunOut #132: Amity Warme is Bringing Stoke—and Style—Back to Climbing
    Sep 2, 2024 – 1:15:58
  • RunOut #131: Drew Ruana Climbs Hard and Thinks Ahead
    Aug 19, 2024 – 1:20:51
  • RunOut #130: Thomas Huber Unleashes Freedom on America
    Aug 1, 2024 – 1:19:15
  • RunOut #129: Olympic Fever; Plus: When Climbers Become Parents with Allyson Gunsallus
    Jul 24, 2024 – 1:11:23
  • RunOut #128: Activism and Climbing with Miranda Oakley
    Jul 2, 2024 – 1:02:42
  • RunOut #127: Sensei and Sensibility: Climb Smarter with Justen Sjong
    Jun 20, 2024 – 1:16:21
  • RunOut #126: Who Was Tobin Sorenson? A Stonemaster Pays Homage to One of the Climbing’s All-Time Greats
    May 31, 2024 – 1:16:08
  • RunOut #125: Michael Levy Brings Back Summit Journal; Plus, the Definitive Gumby Episode
    May 17, 2024 – 1:09:00
  • RunOut 124: How Jesse Grupper is getting Psyched and Ready for the next Olympics
    Apr 30, 2024 – 54:46
  • RunOut 123: How NFL Lineman Wes Schweitzer Uses Rock Climbing to Move Better and Get Stronger
    Apr 16, 2024 – 1:06:45
  • RunOut 122: Will Moss Leaves No Stone Unclimbed
    Mar 26, 2024 – 1:31:03
  • RunOut #121: Beth Rodden Reveals A Light Through the Cracks
    Mar 8, 2024 –
  • RunOut #120: Josh Wharton Redpoints the Alpine
    Feb 20, 2024 – 1:16:04
  • RunOut #119: Dean Fidelman, Portraits of an Artist
    Jan 30, 2024 – 1:26:18
  • RunOut #118: The Power of Climbing Community and Development—and the Threats it Faces
    Jan 15, 2024 –
  • RunOut #117: How Two Big Wall Noobs Free Climbed the Nose
    Dec 29, 2023 – 1:45:31
  • RunOut #116: Mary Catherine Eden Charms the Black Mamba
    Dec 13, 2023 – 1:18:26
  • RunOut 115: Jakob Schubert Goes B.I.G. (Plus Jared Leto’s big TR)
    Nov 23, 2023 – 1:33:34
  • RunOut #114: Kris Hampton Taps into the Power of Climbing History
    Nov 10, 2023 – 1:12:28
  • RunOut #113: How a Race to Get a Climbing Record Turned Deadly
    Oct 24, 2023 – 1:23:36
  • RunOut #112: America’s First Climbing Gym Owner Sounds the Alarm
    Oct 10, 2023 – 1:31:25
  • RunOut #111: A Fine Line for Graham Zimmerman
    Sep 19, 2023 – 1:25:02
  • Bonus: Alannah Yip Sounds the Alarm on Eating Disorders
    Sep 6, 2023 – 1:00:18
  • RunOut #110: Russ Clune is Climbing’s Lifer
    Sep 3, 2023 – 1:39:46
  • RunOut #109: John Middendorf on How Climbing Gear Precedes Progress
    Aug 12, 2023 – 1:26:23
  • RunOut #108: Colin Haley and the Lifelong Epic Quest of Alpinism
    Jul 31, 2023 – 1:23:19
  • RunOut #107: Speed Climbing is OK
    Jul 15, 2023 – 1:27:59
  • RunOut #106: Taylor Swift and Walldies. Plus: Ontario’s Climbing Nightmare
    Jun 30, 2023 – 1:14:49
  • RunOut #105: Quad Life, Anchor Dweebs, and Keeping Print Alive
    Jun 12, 2023 – 1:13:45
  • RunOut #104: Savannah Cummins Balances it All
    May 31, 2023 – 1:11:55
  • RunOut #103: Can Cedar Wright Keep Dirtbagging Alive?
    May 14, 2023 – 1:31:49
  • RunOut #102: Christian Beckwith digs in to the 10th Mountain Division
    Apr 30, 2023 – 1:33:31
  • RunOut #101: Will Congress let climbers bolt in Wilderness?
    Apr 14, 2023 – 1:23:36
  • RunOut 100: Live with Tommy
    Mar 27, 2023 – 1:27:45
  • RunOut #99: Corey Rich: AI and the Future of Climbing Photography
    Mar 13, 2023 – 1:34:01
  • RunOut #98: More with Majka Burhardt
    Mar 1, 2023 – 1:26:17
Recent Reviews
  • ~~~224~~~
    Such a great listen
    The conversations are such a pleasure to listen too, and you guys are hands down my favorite pair of podcasters. Thank you for being you, Chris and Andrew.
  • Ghkkkkgvvbbb
    Great Podcast
    Long time listener, first time reviewer. Love listening to these two banter. Great stuff. Love the phish references, Andrew!
  • PaulWolf1
    Just as good as the Enormocast
    Seems impossible to improve on the Enormocast. I'd say it's a tie.
  • randyman117
    My favorite podcast
    Chris and Andrew are laugh-out-loud funny, thoughtful, and the people they interview are always interesting. Well worth a listen and subscribe!
  • Bubba gabe04
    Witty
    The wit and the knowledge shared makes for a fantastic podcast!
  • Joutrasj
    A worthy contribution to climbing podland
    The only way I’ll ever ‘climb’ 5.14
  • Runbikeclimb
    Solid gold
    Climbing banter at its best
  • rjebas
    Links not correct
    The links are not connecting to the correct podcast for some reason.. Thought you’d want to know! Thanks!
  • a r c h i p e l a g o s
    Thank you
    I just absolutely love this show. Both real charismatic hosts. Really interesting and always entertaining. Thank you!
  • The cockinater
    Epic
    Finally someplace where my love for climbing and boner pill dialogue can intersect. Amazing work here.
  • cv joe
    I like this podcast
    I had a weird bug trying to subscribe. I was getting an error message (“server or feed can’t be found”) when subbing from the podcast’s mainpage but I got it to work when went to an individual episode’s page and subscribed from there. Just throwing that out there if anyone else is having trouble.
  • kc_17_
    Unexpectedly hilarious at times
    Thanks for the hot takes and surprising funny bits that really meld the episodes together. Have been slogging through a slow work day and putting this on gives me the strength to continue and looking forward to the next climb 🤙🏽
  • expecting_more
    Skip to 22 mins.
    Half way into listening to #57 and they have not even mentioned the name of their interviewee. They have just been mansplaining about storytelling.
  • mariah1947
    More Chris Shulte Less Chris Kalman
    More Chris Shulte Less Chris Kalman
  • Hobboattack
    Dr Kalous Strikes Again!
    And his cute little side kick ain’t too shabby either...
  • woodyhanger
    Run out on politics
    Great podcast! Both guys talk well on climbing stories and vertical adventures. However, the second they opened their mouths on politics, I lost interest quickly. Please, keep your personal politics out of a climbing focused podcast. Keep the focus on (mis)adventures. Not divisive politics. Climb hard!
  • Oscar's boy
    Best for news
    I love this podcast. Always an entertaining and valuable take on the currents of climbing. But the thing that really cinches it for me is Andrew Bisherat’s whistle-groan. Is it a ghristle? Is it a whoan? I also enjoy their futile efforts to be less crumudgeonly.
  • databot
    Joyce was a climber...
    ...or at least Bloom was (house railings). And quoting Joyce was on point. And on brand. What makes this podcast is its wide range of references, digressions, topics, and guests. It’s not for liteweights.
  • Hikelite
    Don’t quote Joyce on a climbing podcast
    Come on.
  • ges42
    Funny and well done
    Nice work, really enjoyable
  • ChuckPR
    Love it
    This podcast rocks. But seriously, this is my favorite podcast. Cynicism and all.
  • LenChar6689
    Kalous n the Olympics
    I for one would really like to see Kalous n the Olympics. We need more Western grads there.
  • Matt Desenberg
    Great compliment to the interview-based Enormocast
    Interesting commentary on climbing current events. Great show!
  • COSladie
    A treat to listen to
    I love this podcast! I listen to Enormocast as well, but enjoy this one to keep me up to speed in the climbing world.
  • Portland1031
    Sick!
    This podcast is sick! I love listening to Chris and Andrew waxing poetically about the important topics in current climbing news. Also if you have not checked out the Enormocast and want to instantly climb harder it is guaranteed to bump you up at least one grade!! Thanks gentlemen keep up the good work.
  • ruthkack
    Good stuff
    This podcast is so well done. The two hosts are excellent guys who talk in a way that makes you feel like you are friends. They have interesting perspectives and excellent guests. They talk about climbing, but also about life. I love it.
  • Lehautacam
    Fun!
    This is great podcast and always a blast to listen to. Please put this podcast along with the Enromocast on Spotify!
  • Air Bike Psyche
    Only thing better than climbing...
    Is talking about climbing, and the dynamic duo delivers a steaming plate of ATCs, scorching hot from 50 meter continuous raps down the face of El Cap!
  • c-flynn
    Awesome
    I enjoy the opinion oriented format of this show as a compliment to the enormocast. Good stuff
  • AK Furmissile
    Fantastic
    Great conversations about modern climbing and issues that are part of the community.
  • bran face
    real deal
    bisharat and kalous are real deal climbing luminaries. stoked to see them team up.
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